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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip, my new line of private care merchandise. You should definitely examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I exploit to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is an especially beneficial instrument. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I could possibly be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on telephone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be infinite methods of utilizing it. I’m under no circumstances an knowledgeable. So I’m right here with the methods knowledgeable, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological aspect. She’s been doing totally different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic considering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and easy methods to use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and she or he guides her shoppers via creating private {and professional} tasks inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this as we speak. And it is extremely a lot a visible factor. So we discuss via as a lot as we will simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, that may take you to her web site and to some extra visuals on easy methods to truly implement this in addition to she is likely to be keen to do a mixed course for mothers and households of easy methods to use this particularly for these associated subjects. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful instrument however I’m under no circumstances an knowledgeable at utilizing it and I needed to usher in Sandra as we speak to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.
Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and be taught from you as we speak. One of many subjects that’s all the time developing after I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been in all probability not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler known as Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I exploit it. And I additionally really feel like that is an incredible instrument that isn’t tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I feel it may be completely unimaginable. So, to begin with, I do know that you’re an knowledgeable on this, which is why I used to be so glad to talk with you as we speak however stroll us via on a really broad degree what Notion is.
Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is type of like a database. However I say that phrase, and typically individuals run for the hills. So simply know that, if you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code utility, which suggests it’s very straightforward to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do all the pieces underneath the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many stunning issues about Notion is that you could cross-reference and sync knowledge from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that implies that it’s very versatile in the case of designing your individual private dashboard that is smart to you and the best way you need to run your loved ones, run your life, run your corporation, and so forth.
Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I exploit it for enterprise and in addition for type of family administration and simply conserving monitor of all the pieces I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term objective monitoring. I monitor one thing known as OKRs or goals and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I hold all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a very good level, which is that there’s a studying curve in the case of Notion. And I feel anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive degree group, it might probably appear overwhelming at first. Definitely after I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be slightly bit caught so far as easy methods to create methods in it. And I ended up having to type of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine easy methods to handle after which work from there versus simply making an attempt to begin creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they type of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s a superb place to begin simply to begin to be taught or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?
Sandra: Yeah, so one which I’d throw on the market for a brand new person is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe packing containers that you’ve round with numerous tidbits of knowledge, all the pieces from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, not less than that’s what I do, you realize, uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you’ve gotten items of knowledge that you simply don’t wanna lose monitor of and begin fascinated by these as components of your life that you could possibly carry collectively in a coherent complete. So should you may have form of a one-stop store for simply getting the heart beat of issues, what would that appear to be in a perfect world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a very good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I feel it’s price taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is healthier if you begin utilizing it as quickly as doable, versus making an attempt to construct the proper system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see individuals do loads is, like, leap in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable should you like enjoying round in these kinds of issues after which neglect that it’s meant to really make your life simpler and never form of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that glad medium between placing some thought into what you need it to appear to be, what function you need it to serve, what data do you would like you could possibly set up higher or had higher monitor of? So my company shoppers are normally level to love their Google Drive is a multitude or their stuff buried in Slack.
However my, like, private shoppers give it some thought extra for, like, you realize, monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or possibly well being methods, or simply various things on the private aspect, even hobbies. It’s an ideal place to trace data on hobbies. So, it’s type of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which fascinated by how you’d wanna carry it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I really like that you simply talked about the OKRs as a result of I monitor these as nicely. I feel it’s an ideal place to have the ability to do that prime degree planning in addition to the low degree each day job planning. I feel that’s one thing to consider is also, like, after I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve achieved is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a every day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have form of matter perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s type of trying on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, guarantee that should you fall down the plethora of knowledge on YouTube, about Notion is that you simply go to Notion’s official channel and take a look at the movies. And I all the time counsel that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, after they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, utility and templates. And there’s a number of data and examples out on YouTube about alternative ways of approaching it and, like, totally different templates. However typically what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you simply use to configure your system?
Katie: Acquired it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo slightly bit of those type of possibly get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which might be largely universally relevant to individuals listening. So, issues like all of us must eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, you realize, instruments like Actual Plans that I exploit to do that however I additionally hold my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I absolutely agree. So, stroll us via type of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I assume not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?
Sandra: Yeah. So, by way of, like, meals and meal plans, particularly, one of many issues that I like to recommend to individuals usually is to consider their teams of knowledge, form of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve totally different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the high after which have the directions and any form of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a very separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Really, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was enjoying round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m type of tremendous excited to speak about it as we speak. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my every day journal or my form of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this every day homepage that I’m going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. But it surely has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I consuming my water? Am I exercising? That good things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can truly inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice totally different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t neglect. You realize, it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining easy methods to arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a fairly image of the recipe to entice me, to begin dinner prep after I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night slightly smoother?”
In order that’s type of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the totally different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even type of zoom out or go to an much more greater degree, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that if you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a manner that makes issues simpler? Tables might be fairly particular in it’s function. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it provides you slightly extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, you realize, Notion, it’s exhausting to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you could possibly converse to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s not like another house upkeep or, you realize, effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing house life, actually.
Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I exploit this in so many alternative methods as nicely. And like I stated, I don’t even suppose I exploit it almost as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a every day homepage. And I really like this concept type of like a management middle for all the pieces you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us via type of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you simply carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to all the pieces else you monitor?
Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I really like that you simply requested that as a result of my every day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, day by day. And actually, it’s so important to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being according to my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level through the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to simply form of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I need to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from form of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s not likely what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in day trip the type of, we get into automated pilot, a greater manner of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a enormous manner of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I need a few hours to go. So, my every day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins positioned and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset listing of questions which might be in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, you realize, on December 14th, I used to be speaking about stability. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my every day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for form of, like, the every day habits. And in that desk, I monitor a complete slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take medication, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you could possibly go down the laundry listing of the issues that you simply hold monitor of for your self.
And, you realize, that is multi functional desk however I show it in numerous sections. So, I don’t must suppose via it on a regular basis. I get via what I’m a given second. And so, this every day web page, it truly has, like, I feel 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning after I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply making an attempt to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a piece of it that’s like noon examine in and a piece of it that’s extra in the direction of the tip of the day. And in every of those areas, I exploit my behavior tracker and I show totally different fields. So totally different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I bear in mind to take…? You realize, did I bear in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That type of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve persistent sinus points so I monitor all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, you realize, this has truly been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply provides me all this wealthy details about what’s happening in my world from a each day foundation. In order that’s type of how I leap off from the every day web page.
Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all this stuff that I would like so as to add to mine. So, discuss slightly bit extra about templates as a result of I feel this is likely one of the enormous strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different individuals have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my listing as a result of numerous the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a every day to do listing or weekly planning for my workforce, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us via some great benefits of templates and easy methods to type of work out easy methods to use them.
Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few alternative ways and form of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive degree model of a template is, like, you realize, you may construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to appear to be, after which you may truly share that complete setup with different individuals. And so, if you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s truly a solution to share it on the net. And if you first go into Notion, you may, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So after I work with shoppers privately, that’s usually what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, they usually’re rocking and rolling, they usually’ve received the technical expertise down, which solely takes, you realize, an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s slightly little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, you realize, do that day in and day trip. And that’s one solution to form of streamline issues is to search out an individual that you simply like Notion already, you realize, both through YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template that you could switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed nicely will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to take a seat there and type of figuring all of the structure. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle your corporation or your life. And in order that’s each a superb factor and a nasty factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion implies that it’s a must to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be a very powerful? After which, nevertheless it implies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was one of the simplest ways to do one thing.
In order that’s templates at a excessive degree. However there’s additionally templates inside the system which might be like for any given database, you may have a template that would prefill data. So, like, greatest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template particularly for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, after I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to verify I ask. And so, after I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other manner can be possibly, like, you’re operating a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you simply observe for the podcast, in all probability on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these form of checklists, if you’ll, could possibly be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, you realize, content material calendar in your month or your quarter may open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to begin your movement of knowledge. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually advanced with nested tables and ask associated data. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the person truly wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you could possibly use it to handle a workforce or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third kind of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a very totally different type of characteristic in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you may put something into it that you simply wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it provides the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t do this. And you’ll type of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you simply do on a repeated foundation, however possibly aren’t so advanced, that it’s price placing them in their very own desk, then you may, you realize, use these template buttons simply to form of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I stated, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that possibly you do each week or month or one thing.
Katie: Yeah, I’m considering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life definitely. Does this…? Can notion combine instantly with different methods that folks is likely to be utilizing? As an example, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine instantly with any of this stuff or is it standalone?
Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the flexibility to embed numerous apps. So what meaning is Notion is principally entry via the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see a listing of choices. And as you begin typing, it type of narrows all the way down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you may, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or a number of different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is principally the decision that purposes use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent yr. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the tip of subsequent yr, we’re gonna even have true integration with different purposes. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, each time I’ve had that, like, after I used to do it or a few of these different apps which might be on the market to assist meet my life, I all the time discovered myself including extra to it than I may actually moderately course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of just about, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m type of grateful that Notion has been the standalone characteristic as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping all the pieces in there after which not likely having the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you simply wanna be capable to do.
Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other type of unrelated factor that I exploit it for that I in all probability may work out easy methods to templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those who is likely to be a brand new one, even for you as I exploit it to do one thing known as the Feynman method. And I hold what would principally be like a journal, however the place I form of put all of my Feyman method summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it slightly bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman method is principally the concept that you’ve gotten discovered one thing when you’ve gotten the flexibility to obviously and concisely clarify it to a baby. And fortuitously, I’ve a number of youngsters to really apply this and clarify to day by day. However that is one thing I do each time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED discuss or be taught a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing this stuff to an precise written type, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and bear in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve discovered, it’s in a single place, and Notion provides me an ideal place to trace all of those. After which I may, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my workforce or no matter it might be. In order that’s a tip I really like to present mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And should you’re not an enormous fan of writing, you should use one other app known as Otter in your telephone to talk into your telephone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you may put it in Notion. In order that’s type of like the way you stated you employ it as a journal. That’s form of the best way I form of every day journal with it. And then you definitely talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like objectives, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some suggestions of higher ways in which I might be utilizing this to trace objectives. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which hold monitor of objectives inside Notion?
Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of objectives, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I all the time discovered SMART objectives to be slightly too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are likely to do the alternative. So SMART objective by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply needed to insurgent in opposition to it. However there’s one thing in regards to the OKR methodology the place if you make the goals, the form of inspirational/aspirational issues that you simply’re making an attempt to do in your corporation or your life, the affect that you simply’re making an attempt to have, the main target, and also you set these up first, all of a sudden having key outcomes, that are primarily SMART objectives, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m capable of, you realize, harness that energy. And so the best way my system is configured is I’ve goals and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am an enormous fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which should you haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely advocate it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen mother and father use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning easy methods to truly end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the best way I exploit the momentum planning technique in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for tasks, which I consider as type of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a very micro degree. I must, you realize, replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must handle. After which, to make it much more strong, I’ve another desk that I exploit, which I name areas, which is supposed to be form of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any form of part to my life that I wanna have an intentional apply round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.
And so it’s form of like having a objective, nevertheless it takes off, like I stated, that point stress, in order that it’s simply, you realize, periodically, I’m going in and I take a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can type of… You realize, a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, nevertheless it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly evaluation. They seem on… A few of them are on the every day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I exploit after the every day web page on a each day foundation. And so they’re known as the In the present day Web page and The This Week Web page. And people principally permit me to have, like I stated, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m making an attempt to create.
Katie: I really like that. I do know, like… I feel, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as nicely. I’ll put a few of my favourite sources associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I feel it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s usually utilized in enterprise, however I feel it’s truly very related to oldsters as nicely, so far as planning long-term issues with our youngsters, definitely for homeschooling mother and father and having objectives associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I stated, in my private life for private improvement issues or new expertise I’m making an attempt to be taught and conserving monitor of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.
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And a few different ways in which I exploit Notion, usually, are for conserving monitor of issues like Christmas present concepts or present concepts, usually, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have an inclination to say issues all year long. After which somewhat than having to consider them, simply at the moment of the yr, additionally issues like home updates and tasks issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can also be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain monitor of this stuff or how would you set that up?
Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, you realize, I’m all the time very… I work with numerous inexperienced persons and numerous proper mind form of inventive thoughts map kind individuals. And so I’ve a gentle spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system isn’t all the time attractive to all people. However on the identical time, it’s only a manner of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you’ve gotten, and placing the data that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children hold monitor of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did lately that I type of amused myself with is I arrange a complete desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s principally a gamified model of conserving monitor of all of the issues that I don’t must do day by day however I must do a number of instances every week. And principally the best way the desk works is I’ve a few formulation in-built in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as every week, I get a thumbs up and a superb job. But when I vacuum twice every week, then it provides me a bonus. And of this outdated gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it truly encourages me to do this stuff that I’d in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it might probably wait till tomorrow.” After which you know the way that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t all the time really feel like, oh, that is, like, another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I truly need to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with another app. So, by way of, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I exploit or that I did at Notion this yr that was tremendous useful is we moved.
And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been searching for in a home and, like, our excellent, you realize, options and what have been the prerequisites, individuals saved monitor of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, type of like doing a professional con listing on them. After which when it received time for the transfer, I did a complete stock. So I numbered all of the packing containers. After which after I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I making an attempt to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be capable of once we moved, and it’s like, okay, we want no matter, the espresso grinder. I may truly search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I assumed I used to be over-engineering it and type of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was nicely definitely worth the effort I put in to have the ability to monitor down, you realize, no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s form of, like, a sensible manner that you could possibly use an app like this to make your life simpler.
Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about slightly bit, however I wanna ensure we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and telephone interfaces after which, in fact, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, for example, like a few of the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up after I’m on the retailer. I can work on this stuff after I’m at an appointment with the youngsters or ready on the youngsters in an exercise as a result of my telephone is just about all the time with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that manner however then it’s straightforward additionally to work on a desktop if you’re establishing a few of these greater tasks and larger issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re in all probability an influence person of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?
Sandra: It’s a superb query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, you realize, I nonetheless hold a paper journal after I’m on the telephone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m displaying any person else easy methods to use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to write down some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I type of undergo that listing and guarantee that all the pieces’s in Notion the best way I need it to be and that, you realize, I can hold monitor of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a very fluid factor by way of, you realize, some days I’m in there, like, actually nearly all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion guide in order that is smart. However even on days after I’m engaged on different issues or serving to any person with an internet site or different enterprise methods, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I’d say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I really like that you simply talked about the net, desktop, telephone, and it really works on iPad very well. Actually, they’ve made numerous enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like nearly so many enhancements that I type of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these totally different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… You realize, the newest replace for iOS truly has this factor known as widgets, which if individuals haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They principally put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your telephone display screen. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it might probably take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are every day, fast seize, and my as we speak web page plus a number of others. And I even have that widget proper on my telephone in order that, you realize, if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is smart actually simply and on the fly. So there’s a number of, like, you realize, you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you’ve gotten a number of choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.
Katie: Superior. And also you talked about at first, this can be a tough factor to elucidate totally, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as nicely. However I do know that is one thing that you simply do assist individuals with and you’ve got an internet site associated to. So, for individuals who need to perceive extra and who need to begin integrating this, I’ll guarantee that hyperlink is within the present notes however type of stroll us via the way you assist individuals with that and the sources you’ve gotten.
Sandra: Yeah, so for several types of shoppers are totally different. I actually would like to have a gaggle of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is about up slightly discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s enthusiastic about that type of factor, they’ll let me know after which we will determine it out within the new yr. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So one of the simplest ways to search out me is on sandrahalling com. And should you put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that may have some fascinating data that’s, like, geared in the direction of serving to households. And I truly would like to have a workshop subsequent yr, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in slightly factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they’ll join and let me know. Principal methods I work with individuals proper now’s via enterprise teaching and methods help. And so, typically individuals are available they usually need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which typically what individuals want is extra of, like, a type of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months method to dig into the totally different methods they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a consumer join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their telephone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is form of like one piece of the puzzle for me, nevertheless it spine of the methods I arrange. So, once more, you will discover me on the net at sandrahalling.com or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.
Katie: Excellent. I’ll ensure these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or a lot of books which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and in that case what they’re and why?
Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that one of the crucial impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Performed,” which is form of a basic within the productiveness area. So, I discovered it most beneficial or most impactful within the sense that it taught me easy methods to group, and categorize, and course of data in a manner that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out after I was fairly younger in my profession, I feel I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what now we have now, which is, you realize, database guide now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is type of an ideal instrument now. I feel “Getting Issues Performed” is form of a basic, but in addition it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some components to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I feel “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire totally different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot data comes at us and simply form of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private degree have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a special perspective on issues. And I like mixing this stuff. So it’s each my life holistically, provides me a want to wanna set up it extra. In order that’s type of how these two issues tie collectively for me.
Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll ensure these are linked within the present notes as nicely. I’m so glad I received to share extra about Notion as we speak as a result of like I stated, it’s a instrument that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I could possibly be. And I’m excited to have discovered extra from you as we speak. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with lots of the individuals listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks in your time as we speak and for all of the work you’re doing.
Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was numerous enjoyable.
Katie: And thanks guys, as all the time for listening, for sharing your most beneficial useful resource, your time with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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